As usual, @brainwane's writing on a complicated topic are clear, thoughtful, direct, and bring the receipts to the table: "Not The First Time We Tried (FSF, GNU, RMS, etc.)" https://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2021/03/26/0
@cwebber
It's the thing that gets me with the support for RMS, You can point at this, and Bradley's and Matthew's posts and some folks will see it as a corporate conspiracy leading a mob. Rather than wonder if the environment drove people elsewhere. Nearly a week later and I'm still stunned at it happening and the way it was handled. If the FSF can't change then we need to move on.
@brainwane
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane Have you read this post? https://www.arp242.net/rms.html
It acknowledges there have been some mischaracterizations, analyzes them one by one, but still clearly identifies what *did* happen and comes to a conclusion about this decision to surprise-reappoint him and how it was clearly a bad idea.
@cwebber @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane
I think Stallman's behaviour can be characterized as misogyny, that's not excessive
When women publish reports about you, write on twitter they stayed away because of you, and you insist for 20 years, that means you don't give a damn what a category of people is saying
And that category of people is women
So no, sorry, social awkwardness doesn't cut it, here
there's not intent only. There are effects too
@cwebber @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane
I didn't read about ableism because I have enough of this
As for transphobia, sorry but that's not just a preference about linguistic issues
If you insist on a solution that no one else will adopt, when the rest of the world has settled on they/them, you are transphobic
Posting about trans right is free, especially for a person like him
Doing something is not free and he wasn't ready to do something
So, no, sorry. He was transphobic
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
the solution for not misgendering people should be one only
using several different ways of using gender neutral pronouns will make the whole thing unusable, impractical, in many cases a joke for the amusememnt of many morons who refer to him as an example.
it's a substantial sabotage of the effort
your linguistic preferences are not ore important of the actual well being of people
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
I could say: I would use gender neutral pronouns but I link zoomba/zoorba only
That would be a cruel joke
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
His preference was just an excuse for not giving the trans community the desire of establishing a more bearable language
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
when the world has settled on they/them, your insistence for something else that nobody will use is an excuse for not using they/them and thus misgendering people
and you'll give the excuse to the hoardes of morons who will refer to you as an example
it's not a matter of linguistic style
it's a substantial issue
it's not that hard
@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
just use they/them
if you argue, you're being transphobic
@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber Would you accept that argumentation for any other topic?
“if you argue, you’re being <something horrible>”
@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
the choice about how to accomodate the issue is not for cisgender people
you know this even too well
@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber You forgot a verb. "is not for cisgender people to take" or "is not for cisgender people to discuss"?
The first demands decency: call people how they want to be called.
The second forbids people their voice.
@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber Did I say that?
@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
I'll paste something I've written already:
His preference was just an excuse for not giving the trans community the desire of establishing a more bearable language
@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
this is not a linguistic issue
the point of arguing is not language. It's not giving trans people what they ask
your distinction between making a chice and discussing it is bogus
and crying that some freedom is being infringed is outright ridiculous
@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
oh and by the way it's not an original argument
I've run into this argument before
"so the nazifeminist and the integralists of the political correcteness want to take our lives away !!"
That's shameful, to say at least
what's so brutal in sticking to they/them ?
I'll tell you: nothing at all
if there's any freeedom at stake here it's not Richard Stallman's neither yours
@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber this baseless aggression is doing you a massive disservice.
@ArneBab @AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane Hey, could we cool it on this thread?
@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber Where did I say it?
@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber
yes ?